You know…all during all this time that I’ve been offline for various reasons these past few weeks, so much have happened that I wold have loved to post about here, but simply couldn’t.
Everything from Boss Limbaugh’s flameout after being stoned from purchasing the St. Louis Rams, to the twists and turns of the Heath Care Reform debate, to our two Louisiana US Senators, Landrieu and Vitter, showing different ways to show off their asses and deflect my home state’s already tepid image (with great help from that Hammond/Tangipahoa Parish Justice of the Peace who managed to avoid the passing of the 20th Century regarding the right of marriage).
More than likely, I will get to those stories….but just now I just discovered something so freakin’ stunning that it absolutely had to jump to the front of the queue.
There is actually someone who is more batshitty and wingnutty than Michelle Bachmann.
Her name: Shelley Lubben.
In fact, you could probably say that these two were seperated at birth, if you weren’t too careful, because they share the same loony gene.
Everyone here knows fully well about the Congresswoman from Minnesota and her history….and most of you by now also know about the former porn starlet turned born-again “ex-slut/ex-porn” minister who is now deeply involved with the efforts to censor the porn industry in LA. Lubben has been one of the major screech hounds in reaction to the most recent July HIV porn “outbreak:, where one performer was found to have tested HIV-positive; joining AIDS activist Micheel Weinstein in calling for federal intervention to force mandatory use of condoms in porn films as a means of “protecting” the talent….the talent’s own beliefs be damned.
Mostly, though, Shelley Lubben has been basically applying all the subtlety and zealotry of the “ex-gay” ministries and their approach to homosexuals to leave their evil “deathstyle” to the performers of porn….warning them of all the evil bad nasty dirty things that happen to porn stars as compared to those who follow her lead and find “the light of Christ” through her Pink Cross ministry.
Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your point of view), Ms. Lubben, in her zeal to support her agenda and speread her ministry to the unwashed heathen porn sluts, is looking more and more like she has swallowed just a bit too much of the lunacy root.
Take, for instance, her most recent joint presser in LA this past month with the aformentioned Weinstein, where the two announced a joint action lawsuit against some major porn companies (including Vivid, HUSTLER, and the like) seeking to force them to shoot exclusively condom only porn scenes. Ostensively, the goal is to protect the “girls” in the industry; but apparently, Lubben seems to have a low opinion of the very people whom she wants to “save”.(from here, via here and here)
Lubben says that consumers should be aware that porn stars are diseased.
“We want the fans to know what they’re contributing to,” Lubben told the LA Times. “They’re demanding harder and grosser porn. We want to educate them to exactly what they’re watching — diseased people [emphasis added]. It’s illegal for bodily fluids to touch skin, and yet it happens every single day in the porn industry.”
Let’s forget about that “illegal for bodily fluids to touch people” smack, which would if fully enforced fill the LA County Jails with plenty of janitors, sewer workers, sanitation workers, and the like; and cut right to the “diseased people” remark. Really, Shelley…is that any way to sell your cause to people who want to join your ministry??
Especially since Lubben is so fond of ministering her faith to the industry that she and her Pink Cross ministry makes it a point to appear at every single XXX convention to promote themselves as former porn starlets?? Apparently, porn starlets aren’t too “diseased” that Lubben can’t exploit their conventions to preach her special ministry.
Now, porn starlets like Vicky Vette, Nina Hartley, Kayden Kross, and a few others have risen up both to defend their profession and the performer’s rights of self-autonomy, and to correct the record on HIV/STI use and abuse within porn, and to challenge the position that porn starlets are mindless drones and “cumdumpsters” who need the power of the state to think for them. Needless to say, that hasn’t stopped Lubben from her stated goals….not in the least.
Which brings us to some of her latest antics…as in this video where she and one of her associates attempts to browbeat and harrass Vivid CEO Steve Hirsch, which Lubben claims to be one of the main “porn overlords” and abusers of women, during the recent Adultcon convention in LA last October….never mind that Vivid was in fact condom only until last year and that their content tends to go more towards a couples- and women-based audience. T
This is what she posted to her Pink Cross blog:
October 2, 3, 4 – The Pink Cross hits AdultCon, ANOTHER porn convention in the city of Los Angeles. Back to back conventions, you ask? That’s right. Pink Cross will stop at nothing to reach out to porn stars, porn addicts and expose the truth about porn.
The team again goes all out to educate porn fans and adult workers on the truth behind the lie of porn offering love and hope at the same time, Shelley is interviewed by ABC on the convention floor, prays healing over porn stars and porn addicts, and interrupts an interview between Lisa Ling, special correspondent for the Oprah Winfrey Show, and Steve Hirsch, CEO of Vivid Entertainment, the world’s largest porn company, in which she challenges Steve to a public debate.
Forbes.com deems Steve Hirsh the “Porn King” but is Steve Hirsch as powerful and credible as the world perceives? We’ll let you decide.
And here is the clip (divided in two parts) showing “the team” (i.e., Lubben and her associate) attempting their FOX-style ambush of Hirsch:
Ex-porn starlet turned fundie antiporn activist Shelley Lubben and “friend” attempting to “ambush” VIVID.com exec Steve Hirsch (from PinkCross.org, via YouTube; h/t to Cindi Lofus over at LukeIsBack.com)
Yup….really classy there, Shelley.
Now, there is some real debate within the industry itself over how to treat Shelley Lubben’s ministry….basically, there are those — even active porn performers – who say that she should at least be respected for revealing the darker side of porn performing and giving those not fortunate enough to avoid the setbacks a vehicle to get out and start afresh….and then there are those who say that she and Pink Cross are nothing more than leeches and fundamentalists who use porn as a vehicle to destroy the lives of others and should get no support for her campaign of destruction.
If Lubben actually showed some class and respect for those who disagree with her, it would be an easier choice.
Problem is, she is so much of a publicity whore and a zealot for her cause that she tends to simply allow her zealotry to overwhelm her…which is why she responded so abruptly and so quickly when the porn blog LukeIsBack.com decided to reveal her antics at Adultcon with the heading “SHELLEY LUBBEN HAS LOST HER MIND!!…”
The result was this quite entertaining and, dare I say, thought provoking exchange in the ensuing comments section, where Shelley (“slubben”) responds back in style.
This is supposed to be funny? All I notice is someone with a total and complete lack of manners stalking industry insiders to try and gain fame and publicity.
I think she has the right to her beliefs but if what she really wanted was to “do the right thing” then there are clearly much better ways to go about it than what she is doing. Rudely interrupting an interview, and following people around the convention floor and flat out stalking them really shows her true colors.(October 20th, 2009 (2 days ago) at 1:47 p)
I think it’s rude you exploit women with known drug and alcohol problems. I clicked on your site to see some of your slaves at kelli.net and saw at least five well known porn stars with serious drug and alcohol addictions.
Most of us know which ones I’m talking about.
As far as manners, are you kidding me? You’re the one promoting white house sluts.
Enough you hypocrite! October 20th, 2009 (2 days ago) at 2:10 p
Allow me to intervene here….this is a classic and all too typical tactic of Shelley when confronted with performers who don’t quite agree with her or do not march gleefully in the Godly-centered path she lays out for them; she attacks them for “exploiting women” and then hints at threats to out certain performers for their “serious alcohol or drug problems.” As for “white house sluts”…well, I’ll just leave that to her imagination.
Other commentators get into the act:
Third Axis Says:
Shelley, you’re not funny, you’re not clever, and you’re certainly not original. Yours is a tired, worn-out schtick that goes back to Carrie Nation and other such Christian social-dogmatists.
Religion is not now, nor has it ever been, an “answer” to anything. It’s just a great way to make a buck and fulfill a desperate need for attention. Your public antics make you look and sound ridiculous. Leave this kind of act to Michael Moore; he’s much better at it.(October 20th, 2009 (2 days ago) at 3:06 p)
And then it starts getting into the bizarre:
Anybody want to debate? (October 20th, 2009 (2 days ago) at 3:33 p)
Huh? Did I miss something????
First of all, what was the point of the two videos? So you interrupted an interview between Steve Hirsch and lightweight journalist Lisa Ling. You could have at least made THAT interesting — yet you backed down and agreed to nothing, when you could have at least gotten Hirsch on camera with Lisa Ling looking like an idiot (if you’d gotten the cameras to capture your point of view and his efforts to sneak out on an honest debate).
Yet you didn’t and you then just follow him around like a lost groupie. Again, coming off as foolish at best and dumb at worst. Sure, you got him looking just as dumb, but at least he managed to outwit you by sneaking off somewhere. Subsequently, you make yourself look like a total loon/nitwit, what with asking just about everyone and the janitor where ‘Steve Hirsch’ is.
Or more to the point, you could have asked the SAME people if they knew where Alex Rodriguez, Tim Geithner or Carrie Prejean was and you’d gotten the SAME BLANK LOOKS!!!!!
You failed to make any valid or significant points for your arguments with this trite and more often than not, flat out stupid video.
Why not truly stand up for your convictions and oh I dunno…hang out at the Vivid booth all day patiently waiting for Steve to come debate you? You wouldn’t even need to be a pest — you could just stand PATIENTLY by the side and/or nearby and just wait. That’s it — just document waiting for him to show up and when he doesn’t, you’ve proved your point (however thin it might be). Or even better, you could have gotten Steve while speaking to Lisa Ling, to agree in principle to debate you (either with Lisa asking the questions, or at his convention booth, or at his offices) and again…when he weaseled out, then post the results.
Heck, you didn’t even go after Lisa Ling to see if she would consider adding you and your viewpoints to her segment. If she turned you down, then you’d have another piece of ‘evidence’ I suppose, showing the media ignoring your viewpoints on porn (although you’d have a hard time really proving this, considering all of the anti-porn hatchet pieces the major broadcast networks have produced over the years — the biggest being when Diane Sawyer got Belladonna to ‘cry’ on camera and nearly denounce her porn career).
In fact, Nightline has done two pieces I believe on an anti-porn ministry that recently moved their church to Las Vegas. So you’d probably have no problem getting the support of Lisa Ling; if only because she could become the next journalist to boost their career, taking un-factual potshots at Porn Valley. Yet from what I can tell, you didn’t even think to go follow her or her segment producers around the convention floor to tell ‘your side’ of the adult industry.
The point being is that your lame attempt at humor TOTALLY backfired. Your efforts to promote your cause just laid a giant goose egg.(October 20th, 2009 (2 days ago) at 3:34 p)
Slubben – I clicked on your site to see some of your slaves at kelli.net and saw at least five well known porn stars with serious drug and alcohol addictions.
Most of us know which ones I’m talking about.
Come’on, don’t leave us in the cheap seats hanging! What is this, a Page Six blind item?! Names sergeant, names!!!!! (October 20th, 2009 (2 days ago) at 3:45 p)
Whoever you are who puts down everybody from Sasha Grey to Ron Jeremy on this board, please help me find SOMEONE in the porn industry who has some brains and a promising pair of “cojones” to debate me publicly.
I tire of these amateur comments made by anonymous weaklings who hide behind their computers. Come out publicly cowards and debate me!! (October 20th, 2009 (2 days ago) at 4:27 p)
Now that’s funny…..someone who wants to convert every single porn starlet to Christianity and who demeans their lifestyle and professon as “diseased” attempts to use the names of Sasha Grey and Ron Jeremy to defend herself…and then calls for a “debate”??? Gee, Shelley…what’s wrong, I thought that you could handle opponents of lesser lights??
But even that’s not good enough for Lubben…as we see later on in the exchange:
I hate to say one is a moron, but you really are one Mr. General.
I’m not so sure about how much attention Ms. Lubben is drawing to her cause here on LIB — but it sure isn’t much if I had to simply go off of views on YouTube. Just a casual look tells me she’s not getting much attention, as a tribute video of ‘Classic Era’ porn stars, gets more views by a factor of three than most anything she’s done (except for her appearance on The 700 Club…and I dare say, the traffic to that video in particular, came from those who watch said show).
Or put another way, the video of a cute little kid talking about kittens is close to six million views. Ms. Lubben could only DREAM of getting that kind of exposure.
Secondly, I seriously doubt ANYONE who post regularly on LIB (or even reads the site and just lurks) is going to give a dime to Ms. Lubben. Yet you can theorize all day that somehow, the simple act of the regular LIB Peanut Gallery is going to send hundreds of thousands of dollars her way.
Or put another way, when I go home and watch the local and national news, there won’t be ONE MENTION today of her ‘Stalking Hirsch’ video…nor will there be any mention of her subsequent actions to show porn talent ‘the religious light’ tomorrow…next week…next month…next year (unless she actually becomes oh I dunno, media savvy and learns it’s pointless to harass Hirsch and then post idiotic videos of her lame stalking tactics…instead, she use some common sense and calls established media outlets and harass THEM until they give her some free airtime).
Third, I don’t personally despise Ms. Lubben. Those are YOUR words (and perhaps, a Freudian Slip on your part?). Rather, I would prefer not to have my time wasted with nonsense cultivated in fantasyland. It would have been one thing if her two videos, totaling nearly 20 minutes, actually had a point. They don’t. While her ministry might very well be valid and a good thing for a certain segment of the adult industry, she’s a poor spokesperson for it as she fails to grasp even the simplest concepts of the current media culture.
Or put another way, she’s about as clever as the family who thought they could get a Reality TV show if they faked their six year old son being in somesort of immediate jeopardy.
Enough nonsense. I challenge Sharon Mitchell, Nina Hartley, Ernest Greene, Steve Hirsch and Larry Flynt to a debate tomorrow night, Wednesday October 21, at the Downtown Los Angeles Marriott Hotel at 10 pm in the lobby.
333 Figueroa Street, Los Angeles, CA 90071 in case you don’t know how to google it.
Whoever doesn’t show up mentioned in the list above, their names will be sent out to every Los Angeles media contact I have named as a “coward”.
WHOA!!!!! STOP. RIGHT. THERE.
So, Shelley Lubben thinks that by her very prestige as a former porn starlet from
10 15 years ago who has done exactly 17 videos and maybe 3 pictorals or so, and whom has been out of the business for nearly 10 years, she still can challenge the long time CEO of Hustler Magazine, a 25 year legend and sex activist and prominent feminist, and a man who was a professional radio talk show host as well as a prominent health activist on his own right (AND Mr. Hirsch, too) to a debate on 24 hour notice??? Yeah, I’m really sure that Nina, Ernest, Mr. Flynt, and Sharon Mitchell are more than willing to drop their personal business to meet her in the back alleyways and debate the finer points of porn protection.
Memo to Ms. Lubben: If you can’t handle the likes of Vicky Vette or Kayden Kross or Lisa Ann, who by themselves would intellectually kick your ass the way the New Orleans Saints offense drove through the New York Giant defense last Sunday, how in the hell do you think that you can outlast Nina freakin’ Hartley?? Hell, I’d put Renegade Evolution up against you in a debate, and she’d rip your arguments from pillar to post. You can’t fight bazookas with pea shooters, you know.
Oh…and perhaps you might want to retract that “coward” remark, since I haven’t seen you do any public debating with any of those esteemed opponents as of late..even when they have openly challenged for a fair and open debate.
See the resembulance with Bachmann Overdrive, Clones??
At least one of the LIB regulars sees the lunacy and is willing to call her out on it.
The President Says:
challenge Sharon Mitchell, Nina Hartley, Ernest Greene, Steve Hirsch
and Larry Flynt to a debate tomorrow night, Wednesday October 21, at
the Downtown Los Angeles Marriott Hotel at 10 pm in the lobby.
doesn’t show up mentioned in the list above, their names will be sent
out to every Los Angeles media contact I have named as a “coward”.
is going to debate you because you aren’t worth it, lady. This is where
you belong, right here on the cheap blogs where nothing really matters
and we’re all just here for entertainment’s sake. In related nutjob
news, I don’t think President Obama will be inviting Fred Phelps to the
White House for any faith sessions either. As far as reaping attention
and donations goes, I think that’s fantastic. The more you can get
religious zealot hypocrites to dispose of their money on causes that
never achieve anything, the better. Keep on throwing donations down
that black hole and wondering when porn is really “coming down.” Any
day now….;) Yesterday at 12:10 p
Only disagreement I have with that sentiment is that I think that
nutjobs like Shelley Lubben should be taken very seriously, because she
offers a semiprogressive patina to a movement that would basically
cause significant damage to real people’s lives….as much if not more
damage as the drugs and alcohol abuse and the abuse of power and lives
that she believes to be intristic to the porn industry. It is up to
those who know the truth and aren’t afraid to acknowledge the good and
the bad to expose her nonsense and demystify her babblings for the
mountain of crap that it is.