Because Sometimes You Just Have To Break It Down To Some Idiots: Responding To An Anti-Porn Anonymous Whackjob

Well…it seems that Lydia Lee isn’t the only one of late who has to deal with antiporn trolls who just don’t know when to stop.

I recently came upon a comment that was posted in the moderation queue for the Blog of Pro-Porn Activism, which I contribute to and manage, to the most recent post by Ernest Greene. who happens to be both the husband of Nina Hartley and one of the founding members of what used to be the AIM Foundation (now reborn as AIM Medical Associates), on AIM’s potential survival in the wake of the efforts of Pornwikileaks, Cal-OSHA, and the AIDS Healthcare Foundation (AHF) to undermine their testing regime and impose mandatory condom usage on all performers. As you will see, the comment has a particularly nasty POV regarding performers rights, and is mostly nothing more than the usual inflammatory smack heard more often from antiporn activists.

Using the agreed-to rule (at least, agreed upon by the contributors of BPPA) that direct attacks on performers not be given that platform to poison the debate, I decided not to approve the comment for publication, but rather place it in the spam folder for safekeeping. Nevertheless, I believe that the comment says so much about the mentality of those who wish to impose condom mandates that it deserves a response from me using this space. BPPA is designed to be a safe zone for performers and professionals and activists, and not suitable for debates or even smackdowns….but in this space, I can call a spade a spade and a whackjob a whackjob.

Here is the comment in its entirity….and naturally, the commentor is “Anonymous”:

As with any industry, where can we go to get a list of injuries related to occupational work in porn valley?

How many injuries that required surgery? How many non-HIV disease transmissions?

Also, does AIM test for heroin, oxy or other narcotics to ensure that drug addicts aren’t being exploited?

OSHA standards? Sounds like a VERY good idea. What other job does being beaten, choked and having several inches in width shoved up your ass while being called a “stupid cunt”?

No doubt Ernest will be responding with some diatribe about prudery and christian fanatics, or dread femi-nazis.

Meanwhile… let’s get back to OSHA standards for all workers and stop letting industry pimps pretend they give a rats’s ass about women’s health or how fucked up it is that millions of people are jerking off to images of women getting abused.

We wouldn’t want to be “sex negative” or anything… So bitches, open up an say aahhhh… because whores have no rights. Thank you… “sex positivity”

I have my ideas about who would be suitable for writing this crap…but for now, I’ll begrudginly give “Anon” his right to his mis-identity. And that’ll be the last bit of respect he’ll get.

Let’s break it down by sentence, shall we??

As with any industry, where can we go to get a list of injuries related to occupational work in porn valley?

Gee, I don’t know…does OSHA allow for a list of injuries to, say, coal miners suffering from black lung, or workers of nuclear power plants who risk getting cancers from radiation leaks?? And, more importantly, why should it be assumed that OSHA (whether the Cali branch or the national affiliate) should be informed about every single injury ever done to a porn performer in or out of his/her job??

No one is saying that there shouldn’t be some minimal standards of safety during porn shoots. The issue is whether or not the standards that Cal-OSHA would impose — which would include not only condoms but also dental dams and in some cases even goggles and face shields — would be even effective or even overkill in the name of “protecting” performers…including those majority of performers whom have proven themselves not to be needing that extreme kind of “protection” that our Anon wants. Or..whether or not this is simply abusing a group of people — namely, sex workers and porn performers — merely to get paid off their suffering and exploitation as “vectors of disease”.

Besides that, what sort of injuries would Anon wish to chronicle?? STI’s which occur in a much greater rate in the general population than in porn (unless (s)he happens to believe that porn is indeed the incubator of all sexually transmitted diseases)?? Yeast infections?? Menstrual blood?? Mere cuts and bruises?? Or, should we hold out for the REAL stories of full scale mass throat and anal rape, or the super secret snuff films that we know are murdering women every hour on the hour on porn sets daily??

I’m so sure that Cal-OSHA, even in these times of severe budget crises in the state government, will be perfectly capable of tracking down and prosecuting such evils..or simply resolving them by jamming a condom down the performer’s throat. Yeah, that’ll work well…never mind the fact that most porn is nowadays done for home sites and driving AIM out of business and the industry out of the safety and continuity of the current testing regime would simply force performers into much more dangerous and less regulated situations. Not to mention, putting people out of work. But, maybe that’s Anon’s point all along.

How many injuries that required surgery? How many non-HIV disease transmissions?

Also, does AIM test for heroin, oxy or other narcotics to ensure that drug addicts aren’t being exploited?

That’s really funny…because by law AIM is required to test only for HIV and herpes (though they did offer testing for other STI’s upon request. There is no standard for testing for other narcotics…and nor should there be in the first place. Maybe Anon may have missed this, but most porn consumers and performers want to be clean and sober, as most drugs tend to depreciate the wanted experience of sexual pleasure. It’s kind of hard to deliver lines when you are stoned or whacked out on heroin or meth, and especially not so easy to maintain your erectile “edge” and shoot on cue when you are incapacitated by alcohol or any other controlled substance. In most porn sets I know, there are 5 women and 2 men in wait if any performer turns up not at his best to replace him/her…that tends to kick out the drugged out better than any testing regimen.

Only someone who’s never even been to a porn shoot — or one of Shelley Lubben’s  or Gail Dines’ mindless clones — would insinuate that porn performers are inately drug addicts. I guess we can place Anony in both levels??

OSHA standards? Sounds like a VERY good idea. What other job does being beaten, choked and having several inches in width shoved up your ass while being called a “stupid cunt”?

Try almost every other job, asshole. Women outside of porn have been beaten and choked for decades, and plenty of women have been raped anally without the need for or assistance of porn. Many more women have also willingly and safely enjoyed “having several inches in width” stuffed up their asses (does that include dildos and butt plugs, too, Anony??)..and I’m so sure that they would appreciate as well Cal-OSHA’s attempt to protect them from their own desires and take away their right of free will.

And as for calling them “stupid cunts”?? Funny, but you don’t seem to have a problem with women being called such in the context of non-sexual non-consensual relationships, do you?? Where are you when Gail Dines breaks out the “cumdumpster” card?? Or, when Ministeress Lubben reverts to calling porn performers (at least, those who don’t immediately faint to their knees and worship her as ROXYY!!!…errrrrr, I mean, Saint Shelley of Assisi, bringing God’s salvation and rescue to all ex-sluts everywhere) “diseased”, “prostituted”, and incapable of free will or thought?? And, where are you when right-wingers resort to the same epithet to demonize and stigmatize not only women in porn, but ALL women not following the pristine path of “modesty” and marriage??

But hey, Anonymous doesn’t want to insult porn women (actually, (s)he does, only (s)he wants to mask her hatred under the cloak of protection and human concern)…(s)he only wants to “save” them by allowing the steady hand of OSHA to impose “modest” standards and to force them to use condoms in their scenes..because that’s how (s)he will either force their users to use condoms themselves through “role modeling” (If the only thing the stupid proles see is people driving red cars, then they will themselves buy red cars, and red car dealers and owners will rake in the prosperity!!!), or the “industry” will simply wilt out of existence altogether, and the romance (and ignorance) media market will bloom a thousand flowers again from elimination of the competition.

No doubt Ernest will be responding with some diatribe about prudery and christian fanatics, or dread femi-nazis.

Meanwhile… let’s get back to OSHA standards for all workers and stop letting industry pimps pretend they give a rats’s ass about women’s health or how fucked up it is that millions of people are jerking off to images of women getting abused.

Ah, yes….the old radfem boilerplate, concentrated in one sustained bowel movement. Refer to a male pornographer as an “industry pimp”. Raise one more time the “Owwwwwwwww….they called us ‘antisex prudes’ and ‘femi-Nazis” again!!!” canard. (And of course, also the “Christian fanatics” addedum as a bonus, completely washing away the collusion between antiporn feminists and right-wing antifeminist fundamentalists in hating women who insist on their right to enjoy sexually explicit media on their own terms.)

And, of course, the usual smack of “fucked up” men jerking off to “women being abused” because we all know how much women are abused and raped and horrified by such things as sperm in the face, or a dick in the ass, or even a dick in her…..mouth. And, we all know that women are waaaaaay too pure to even have a hint of sexual autonomy to jill off to such “abuse”…right, Belladonna?? Cameron Diaz?? Carrie Prejean?? Sharron Angle?? Ms. Bueller??  Ms. Bueller??

And the final coup de’resistance of this inanity:

We wouldn’t want to be “sex negative” or anything… So bitches, open up an say aahhhh… because whores have no rights. Thank you… “sex positivity”

The addition of that attempted insult only makes our Anony look like an anttporn hack. Actually, jackass, we who call ourselves “sex-positive” believe that “whores” actually have many rights….the same rights and responsibilities to protect themselves from unwanted diseases and injury as any other person. As I said at the beginning, the debate about condoms is NOT about whether performers should or should not have the right to insist on them if they so desire; it is well agreed that they should. (You do know that Ernest Greene has been a long time advocate for performer choice and for not punishing performers for wanting condom use, right, Anony?? Or, are you so dense not to even have read his own words??) It is all about whether imposing condoms in porn shoots at the risk of both harming performers more and costing them their livelihood (because it is proven fact that condomized porn simply doesn’t sell to the overall public, other than a very narrow demographic), and whether the push for a condom mandate is simply an invented porn panic using the bodies of porn performers as political pinatas for the greed and benefit of certain parties.

Or…useless props for antiporn vents like that comment.

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The Mind Of An Antiporn "Feminist" Hater: One Part Arrogance, Four Parts Idiocy, And Five Parts Presumptuous Bullshit (Or, A Response To A Julie Meadows Hater)

If there is anything that most definitely is assured to yank my chain enough to lash out in anger, it is the presumption that someone knows enough about a particular group of people that they can claim to speak for them…even when actual members of that group are perfectly capable of speaking for themselves.

But when that same person who assumes the role of personal analyst refuses to even acknowledge that other people can actually have a different experience than said analyst assumes, and basically decides based solely on analyst’s personal bias to ignore if not totally distort and deny the experiences of those others….well, then we’re at the point of battle.

Two such cases are whacking my brain today.

The first, which I will only briefly touch upon, is a nice steaming mountain of crap that was deposited by right-wing columnist Ross Douthat in this morning’s New York Times concerning his belief that old fashioned monogamy is on the way back from the shackles of the sexual revolution. Since Susie Bright has already summarily dispatched and disposed of his shit brilliantly, I will simply defer to her excellent rebuttal and leave it at that.

Number Deux, on the other hand, is a bit more disturbing, and needs some background.

Newly inducted Progressive Headbussa Lydia Lee (formerly known as Julie Meadows) posted at her blog today a rejoinder to a particularly dense attempt to dismiss her experiences as an adult erotic performer. For those who may not know, Lydia/Julie was involved deeply in the porn/erotica biz for quite a while, leaving only around 2005-ish when she found true love with her current husband Doug. Alarmed by the vast distortions and lies put forth by some to villify and reduce her experiences in porn to the least common demominator and the absolute worst form of rape and abuse (example: Shelley Lubben), as well as those who have made lots of profit in the industry yet have used the noteriety as a vehicle for publicity and gossip mongering (examples: Jenna Jameson and Montana Fishburne); Lydia has used her resources to at least correct the record by stating her much more benign and lucrative and socially empowering experiences as a porn performer.

Unfortunately, Julie’s personal herstory cuts right in the middle of the saw stories and propaganda and wishful tragic thinking that far too many people have invested their careers and livelihoods in in their attempt to “save” porn performers and sex workers from their supposed alleged sins and errors, and rescue them from their alleged horrid fates of permanent rape, slavery, and total dependency on the brutal sexual desires and demands of men. Which is why such people feel the need to outshout women like Lydia and put her back in her apparent place.

One such attempt took place in the form of a comment sent to Julie’s YouTube page by an unnamed antiporn “feminist”, who basically gave a concentrated synopsis of the basic APRF attitude towards women in porn who don’t quite fit into the convineint harness of “slave” in need of radfem (or born again Christian) rescue and redemption.

Lydia does an excellent job of refutting this rubbish, and I encourage you to read her rebuttal over there….but I just had to add some fisking of my own to kill the extra strong stench of BS.

Let’s take it from the top, as always:

“Sex is fun. Really, really fun. Pornography is not fun for women. Jenna Jameson, an actual pornographic actress, has said this. Because they have to do it for a long time, and they have to make it look good, which means she has to strike poses and hold them while having sex or having her picture taken. Having sex in all its forms for hours on end is tiring, and she spoke about how sore she was during and after. Pornography effectively takes something that is fun, and turns it into something that is painful for its female participants.

First of all…..doesn’t that sound verbatum like something that our intrepid wannabe “journalist” Cameron Rowe would say?? In fact, that sounds interestingly like something that Cameron DID say during his long-winded rant he tried to pass off as an “expose” of the industry. Of course, it just as likely might be one of several antipornfem stalkers who troll YouTube looking to dig their fangs into anyone attempting to question their brillliant analysis of porn and male/female sexuality (Nuclearnight/Antiquelens, perhaps??)

But, never mind who exactly gets credited for such lunacy, it’s the quality and concentration of BS that counts here. I mean….Jenna Jameson’s book speaks for every single porn performer?? A book mostly ghost written by Howard Stern’s publicist Judith “Big Clit” Regan mostly for the Fixed Noise/Bill O’Reilly “fallafel” crowd…the same ones who would cheer BillO when he noted that dirty American massacre at Malmady during World War II?? (Ahh, it was the Germans, Mr. O’Reilly, who massacred the Americans, not vice versa..honest and for true.) A book that even Jenna herself generally repudiated as a publicity stunt done to raise her Q ratings during a particularly nasty breakup with her first husband/porn producer Brad Armstrong, and a financial feud with her original production company Wicked?? Funny how Jenna continues to make plenty of money off of the same industry who supposedly raped and abused her (she still owns ClubJenna.com, which puts out plenty of her content as well as other female talent in her network). And unlike the Ministeress Lubben, Jenna has never repudiated her porn career or even implied that she was ever abused or raped by fellow performers. (She does say that she was raped as a child growing up in her book, but that’s not quite the same, now isn’t it??) Nice try, but not the best example of “porn slavery”.

As for the supposed “gruesome” and grueling process of actually making porn: yes, shifting into those positions for the proper camera angles can be a bit stiffening; hot lights, a lighting crew that on occasion can forget the empirical  value of Scope mouthwash and/or Old Spice stick deodorant (or basic bathing and brushing), and a director screaming at you every five minutes does not do wonders for you libido or the romantic mood, and taking a 9″ up your ass for more than 3 minutes can lead to plenty of soreness. Porn sets will never be confused with moonlight balconies or honeymoon suites.

But, guess what?? It’s not as if porn professionals who get paid plenty to fuck and suck on camera are the only ones to have to endure aches and pains and risk injury for the good of their profession. Let’s play a bit of word association and change a few words of that first paragraph to reflect a slightly different form of physical activity that pays its talent well:

“Football is fun. Really, really fun. Football practices and games, however, are not fun for National Football League players . Doug Williams, an actual professional quarterback, has said this. Because NFL QB’s have to throw passes and escape defenses for a long time, and they have to make it look good for the fans, which means he has to take vicious hits or run in the pocket to avoid sacks and throw the ball downfield to score touchdowns and win games. Throwing footballs in all its forms for hours on end is tiring, and he spoke about how sore he was during and after practice and after games. The NFL effectively takes something that is fun, and turns it into something that is painful for its male participants.

And remember…even Doug Williams made more money the year he helped lead the Washington Redskins to that Super Bowl victory than Jenna Jameson did in her entire career. Shall we move to condemn the NFL, then, for the way they treat and abuse their talent??

Oh, who cares about them overpaid players, anyway??  This is about PORN..and SEX!!  Sex is different, you know.

Let’s go back to our hater.

And then there is always the potential of catching STDs with pornography or promiscuous sex. Yes, it’s regulated with blood tests, but it’s a not perfect system. Apart from the medical field, which has all kinds of safety precautions, I cannot think of a job that consistently put you in such proximity to catching potentially fatal or untreatable diseases.

Because, of course, only porn performers are slutty and promiscuous and so out of control sexually enough to contract STI’s and then infect the rest of society with them. It’s not as if STI’s didn’t predate the growth of the modern adult porn industry by…well, millenia?? Or, that the actual rate of infection amongst porn performers is actually well below that of non-porn performers, because exactly of the testing and treatment regimen that performers are expected to undergo?

Then again, it’s only in porn that you are at risk for deadly diseases.  Not meatpacking, not sanitation services, not microbiologists, certainly not garbage collectors or electric lineman, or miners or leathernecks on oil platforms, or….

And do you honestly think that women doing porn don’t have issues with sex? I agree that a lot of people have strangely puritanical views about sex, but porn actresses don’t have liberated attitudes about sex. They most likely equate their appeal as a sex object to their self-worth; the more men who will have sex with them, the more valuable they are. This flawed thinking is usually the result of sexual abuse, especially as children. Second, there is a huge amount of drugs in the pornography world; most women are probably addicted to some drug or another, and they aren’t going to find any work that pays them so much in so little time, so they do porn to feed their habit.

Oh, freakin’ gag me with a dirty dildo, please.

First off, having sex on stage or on screen for a professional porn performer is his/her JOB; she is not hired for the purpose of being promiscuous. What she does outside of her job does not reflect upon her requirements to get paid for what she does do. Yes, being more of an exhibitionist and not being so squicked at being naked in front of the camera and showing yourself off to millions who will be masturbating to your imagery does help you do your job much easier, but that’s more of an extra boost rather than a core requirement.

And for this mindless crap about “self-worth” determined by the number of sleeping partners: well…if a woman’s hot enough and open-minded enough, accomplished enough in the skillz of sex that she can pull men to suck and fuck at her convinience, and she’s smart enough to protect herself from disease and bad hookups…then what the hell is the issue, exactly?? Or, is our hater really ticked off due to jealousy that these supposed “sluts” and “sex objects” are getting laid more and better than she is??

Oh…and their thinking is “flawed” because of “sexual abuse”??  Really?? Can you prove that, or do you, dear hater, just assume that any woman who wants, desires, and actively seeks sex beyond your treasured boundaries with those evil brutal men with their hated erections, is by your edict “sexually abused”…or simply dumb, mindless “cumdumptsers”??

Let’s not also forget the “they’re all on DRUGS!!!!: meme, too. Because those evil skanky, trampy sluts…errrrrrrrr….those poor, poor slaves of patriarchy, wouldn’t be doing such things were they not hooked on heroin or meth or crack or whatever medication those evil male pimps are pushing on them. Even, of course, when they say that they are clean and sober and clear-headed enough to get in on their own free will….that’s just a LIE that they’re paid to say!! WE know better!!!!

Yeah.  Those who usually say that they know better are usually the ones who in reality don’t know shit.  Which is why they crack down so hard on those who do know.

Finally, a lot of the stuff they do in porn is gross. I’m not a prude, I’m not judgmental. I’m not sure what I can say here without getting deleted, but an objective analysis of some of the acts that are popular in porn tells me that they are simply physically unpleasant for a woman. This isn’t the moral condemnation, not judgmental “get a job!” rhetoric, not a fear of sex. The actual physical sensation of having some acts performed on you are unappealing, man or woman; yet, these acts are consistently performed on women in lots of mainstream porn. That’s why these acts don’t make it into the niche market of porn for women, and why they don’t feature in “couples porn”.

Last time I noticed, the term “gross” was in fact a value judgment. not necessarily a state of fact. Now, we can agree that some things are indeed quite gross…but on other issues it’s clearly in the eyes of the beholder. And, of course, the obligatory “I’m not a prude; I’m not passing judgment” disclaimer, that always takes place right before an antiporn radfem breaks out one of their passing judgments that certainly sounds prudish. And it’s certainly not a moral judgment to say that the acts found in mainstream porn are “unappealing” to women….at least, not to SOME women. But, if you simply eliminate the large number of women who actually enjoy such acts in their personal life, and who probably did long before they saw it reflected back at them from a porn video or a pictoral or an erotic story, then you can say that you’re not making a moral judgment because such women simply don’t exist. At least, not in our hater’s twisted mind.

As for the “unappealing” part: well, then, why do people continue to purchase mainstream porn by the buckets if they find the acts shown so “unappealing”??  And…who is our hater to suggest that she can speak for those consumers and users of porn on the subject of what they consider appealing?? And, what is, in reality, the difference between “porn for women” and “couples porn” and what she calls “mainstream porn”?? Emphasis on female pleasure?? Less gynocological closeups of the nether regions?? More kissing and fondling??  Less facials?? Less anal??

Besides, why emphasize the difference in subgenre, anyway, since it’s all just a male conspiracy to make the fundamentally degrading and injurous nature of porn more sellable to impressionable (and totally stupid, I guess) women who don’t know the reality of “true” and “authentic” female sexuality as “true feminists” (radical lesbians??) know?

Also, Fishburne’s daughter said she did porn to get into real acting. Name one legitimate actor who started out in porn apart from Sylvester Stallone, who made his name with the Rocky movies and then it was revealed that he’d done a skin flick.”

I’m going to gloss over for now the question of whether porn performers are in fact legitimate actors who only focus their art in the erotic/sexual realm (and the fact that they do in fact have to play roles and even develop some plots in order to get to the sex); and simply respond that Tana Fishburne didn’t need to go into porn to establish herself as a mainstream actress, since being Lawrence’s daughter would have been more than enough to get her some gigs. She went into porn basically to piss off her family, and to rebel…like most other young women do. Also…you do know that the former  Govenator of California, Arnold Schwarzenegger, also posed for Playgirl, right?? So did Burt Renyolds.  And..Bo Derek posed for Playboy, too. They may not have started out in porn, but they sure did use porn to engage their careers later on.

But why should I ramble on, when a real live porn performer whom actualy did the job and came out of it pretty much unscathed can speak volumes better than I ever could. Kick it, Lydz: (special points with added emphasis by moi)

There were moments when I questioned my involvement in the adult industry because my current husband could not understand it. In trying to understand him, and trying to explain that it is nothing that a non-industry person would assume it to be, I had to wonder if maybe there was something “wrong” with me for even being interested in the business. I can tell you this, it feels worse to second-guess myself and contemplate the idea that I’m a bad person than it does to actually remember my time in the industry. I have so many wonderful memories of people–crew people, actors, directors, people I didn’t have sex with because the sex part was so secondary to the larger interactions among people that exist in the adult industry. The seedier people, they are easy to spot and avoid if you don’t want to surround yourself with seedy people. That even one person–myself–can come from that industry with my personal and happy experiences means that others do, too. Inari Vachs always struck me as someone who was a very smart, very sexually open and happy person. Chloe [Nicholle] actually got clean after entering the adult industry in the 90s. Shelley Lubben was a hardcore pornographer and now she’s a hardcore religious nut. Anything she does is going to be over-the-top because that’s the way she does it. Jenna Jameson, too. If I want to know what it’s like to be a mainstream actor, I won’t ask Julia Roberts, I’ll ask someone not in the stratosphere of fame because their perspective isn’t like everyone else’s. I’d ask an average person. I was an average porn star and I never witnessed the atrocities these people claim are on every porn set. Never. I ran into one woman in my agent’s office who had bruises all over her and said that it happened from doing a scene on a rock. I said, “You have got to demand better treatment. You don’t have to do anything you don’t want to do. Exercise that right!” That’s life. I’ve been poor and on welfare. I’ve used food stamps to survive. Believe me, there are other ways to survive if you’re really unhappy. No dignity is lost in accepting charity if the alternative means selling your soul.

Or, to put it the way Ginger Lynn Allen titled her proposed biography: “I Did It. I Liked It. So What?”

 

Addedendum: Julie Meadows just reminded me via a comment here that I would be derilect in my duties without recognizing that it’s no picnic for the men who do porn, either. Damn…she’s smart, and she’s right.

Contrary to popular rumor, not every man — even one with a schlong bigger than 6″ — can just walk into a porn studio, grab the nearest porn slut, and bang to his heart’s content. Ahhh, no..it just doesn’t work that way, even in gonzo. In fact, it’s a lot tougher on the men because in addition to having to maintain their erections throughout the time needed for taping a scene, they absolutely must be able to pull out and blast on cue when the director calls for it. If he can’t do that, he won’t make it past the first cut. And with all that, they are even paid less than the women are. Imagine that…the profession most slammed for being anti-woman actually pays female talent more than men. In short, in simple economic working class measures, porn might be the most femnist profession around. Maybe that’s what sticks in Gail Dines’ craw so much that she hates on porn, ehhh??

 

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Cambridge Porn Debate Addedum #2: Julie Meadows FTMF'nW!!!!

Clones….go straight to Julie Meadows’ blog and read her latest post.

I mean, seriously….GO READ IT NOW.

I’m not even going to say a word, because it speaks for itself.

Ahhh….why are you still here???

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The Ultimate Reading Of Shelley Lubben (By Lydia Lee/Julie Meadows) Or: Why This Isn't Just About Us "Smearing" Her

Some people in the last week or so have begun to wonder why there is such a fuss about Shelley Lubben, and why some of us are so fixated on her.

It’s not as if she’s the first former porn performer to be highly critical of the industry, or that her fundamentalist Christian approach to sexuality isn’t propogated on a regular basis.

And more than one person has even said that the campaign to expose her illogic is now crossing the line to basically “smearing” her for just speaking out.

To those objections, I give you this lengthy essay that was originally posted by one of the principled Lubben critics, Lydia Lee (aka Julie Meadows) in June of last year. At that time, Lydia/Julie was a regular contributor to porn producer/agent Mike South’s blog, and as a former performer herself, had garnered interest in Lubben’s Pink Cross ministry and her approach in converting former performers and attacking the industry. The resulting essay should cast no doubt on why exposing Ministeress Lubben’s lunacy is at the utmost importance.

This was also reprinted to my SmackDog Chronicles blog as a page titled “The Ultimate Shelley Lubben Reading/Smackdown” as a special page.

A full cacophony of Lydia’s posts on Shelley Lubben can be found here.

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By juliemeadows
June 24th, 2010

In a way, I’m glad “Devil Lady” attacked my friend Monica Foster’s mental health and challenged her to a debate. I’ve written about her before here, in a post called Questions for Shelley Lubben about The Pink Cross, because like anyone who is not anti-porn, I had an immediate list of inquiries as to the personal integrity of someone who used to be in the sex industry of their own volition, and then turns around to attack it.

The challenge to debate Monica, and then the verbal attacks to me and the condescending tone with which Shelley directs all her commentary towards people who are not anti-porn caused me to look more deeply at this “savior” of porn stars, and I can see very clearly what her game is. And it is a game. I did not know, until my digging, that she and her minions had sent menacing emails to popular porn stars to get saved from porn – and even to get saved on MTV. Menacing emails meant to intimidate and manipulate, and it is not for the purpose of saving porn stars. If you look at her financial records, more goes towards travel than to helping porn stars. She’s a plagiarist on her own site because she stole a story from AVN without crediting them for the information, and without an autopsy report, does credit porn with the death of Ami Jordan, someone who had not done much in the industry at all and had not even worked recently doing any scenes just before her death. Accusing agents and pornographers of illegally positioning themselves as “doctors” while she poses as an authority on information without all the information hardly warms my heart towards her motives. Does Shelley Lubben own the rights to the pictures she uses in her Dead Porn Stars Memorial video? And if not, does she at least own the licensing rights to use those pictures?

Before I get into her story, in her own words, I have to go back to the simplicity of her game plan. First of all, she attacks porn because porn is not illegal. There’s no reason to kick prostitutes when they’re down because they’re already down. Secondly, she needs to save a popular porn star so she can ride on the coattails of the woman’s already established fame. All of this points to a political career, which angers me because religion and politics should never mix. She especially targets strong independent women, like my friend Monica, because it angers her that an intelligent woman would stand in her way. She’s fixated with Monica’s sites www.GettingIntoPorn.com and www.GettingOutOfPorn.com because Monica offers free and practical solutions for entering and exiting the business of adult movie-making. It defies her “God Saves” position because it proves that a person can actually save his or herself from anything, logically, practically, simply, just by using their own common sense.

I just watched a five part video series, Shelley Lubben speaks truth about porn industry, about ex-prostitute Shelley Lubben, and she explains herself perfectly, in her own words. I couldn’t have done it better, myself.

Shelley is on a stage, and she explains (to an entirely male audience, I guess, because she only addresses the men ever), how she grew up and came to be a married Christian woman. She explains that her father was distant and that her mother preached at her a lot and judged her, and was not a very Christ-like woman. I’m guessing that she was an only child because she never mentioned having brothers or sisters. She said that her favorite time of the week was Sunday and going to Sunday School because Jesus “talked to her all the time.” Okay.

At the age of nine she was molested by a boy and his sister. She started masturbating after that and started having sex with other people at the age of sixteen. She said that her mother let her dress up as a Playboy bunny and took pictures of her when she was fifteen, “to keep the peace.” She says she was a real handful. Very rebellious and absolutely set on “getting the attention she wanted.” Her dad kicked her out right after she graduated High School. She said that he warned her he was going to before he did and she shrugged him off. So she was on the street, crying, and a man came up to sit with her and she thought, “My Jesus has come to rescue me.” It’s creepy and it’s heartbreaking, because this woman/child is on the stage explaining why she is the way she is, and she still doesn’t really understand any of it. I feel incredible sympathy for her if those things really happened to her, and I have no reason to believe they did not, but as she clearly spells out exactly why, what and how, she attributes all of her subconscious decisions to “The Devil” and “God” and “Jesus”, all of her conversations with her conscience as conversations with “The Devil” and “God” and “Jesus”, and never once portrays herself as a whole person, even as she claims to now be a whole person. But honestly, most of my sympathy goes to her husband, because instead of just giving him all the credit for meeting her and loving her and marrying her and sticking by her even when she “smacked him around,” “spit on him” and “cheated on him,” all the credit during her entire speech goes to “The Devil” and “God” and “Jesus”. She says as she’s listening to him talk one day, her thought is, “Is this God?” Um… no? It’s a man? Oh, I don’t know. A man in front of you that you should be talking about for at least half of the entire hour of your life story? Garrett, her husband, and the man who saved her from being a single-mom/prostitute only got some mention, and when she told him to stand up so she could “honor” him, after telling everyone that when he asked her to marry him, she said, “I don’t love you, I’m not attracted to you, but I’ll do it [marry him],” and “You went to college, you can make the money,” the camera couldn’t even see him. It careened all over the place. The angle centered on her, from backstage, and there was room for no one else. Shouldn’t he have gotten a moment on stage, maybe? Maybe he didn’t want it, but she didn’t have very nice things to say about him, even though he was the actual reason her life got better. And also because she made her life better. That’s probably the worst part of the brainwashing process to me, that the level of self-loathing is so deep, even when one starts to feel better about themselves, they still can’t attribute their happiness to their own efforts. “By the grace of God!” What’s wrong with, “By the grace of my ability to listen to myself and my presence of mind and love myself and love for myself and not through someone else.” And, “By the grace of a real live human being who helped me… named Garrett.” Too many words? She still won’t give herself any credit, and even though she deserves to give herself credit, she continues to describe an entire life led by other forces and other people, where she never took the reigns and steered any of it on her own, right down to making a website.

So, she was crying and a man came to talk to her, and she wondered if it was “Her Jesus come to rescue her,” in a little girl’s voice, and it was someone offering her thirty-five dollars to have sex with someone else, his treat for his friend, I guess. She said her first thought was, “No. I’m not a prostitute,” but then “The Devil” came to her and said, “God doesn’t care about you, your parents don’t care about you.” End result, she took the money. Then she says she became a “con artist” after that, her own words. “I became a master manipulator, a practiced liar, a con artist conning men out of thousands and thousands of dollars.” (As she says this to a room full of men whose support she wants. Do you think she did her speech for free? Who payed for her travel?) Ahem. Anyway…

Now, this is where it really gets weird on another level. She says that she hated men, but then she says that “all women in the sex industry hate men.” Okay, she attributes all her misfortune to “The Devil”, and all her fortune to “God” and “Jesus” (with a teeny smidgen set aside for the man she also severely emasculates in front of hundreds of people, her husband), then proposes to know the minds of “all women in the sex industry.” Her two faces change back and forth constantly through the entire performance. She’s controlled by other forces, yet she knows the minds of all sex industry workers. It’s not physically possible for her to know the minds of “all women in the sex industry,” because it’s not physically possible for her to be all women in the sex industry. I would have to be you to know what you think, and it’s not physically possible for me to be you. Not possible. She doesn’t explain how she knows this. She doesn’t say she met every woman in the sex industry and asked them if they hated men. How can she not attribute her own happiness and healing completely to herself and her husband, but then attribute knowing all women of the sex industry to her own faculties without explaining how she knows that? I was in the sex industry and I never hated men. She’s appealing to the emotions of this all-male crowd to feel loathing and pity for sex workers because sex workers hate them, and then at the end of her performance she gushes about how much she loves all the men she’s talking to. She is incorrect in her statement because I don’t hate men, and if I don’t hate men, “all sex workers” don’t hate men. You can’t say “all” and exclude one sex worker, past or present. She can’t speak for me because it is physically impossible for her to be me, and therefore impossible for her to know me and my mind without asking me. Her statement is a lie. She conveniently relinquishes responsibility for her own mind in one sentence, and then poses as all-knowing for others minds in the next. There is a very clear disorder in all of this.

She got pregnant three times as a prostitute, lost two in miscarriages and gave birth to and kept her third. That seemed a triumphant ending even if she doesn’t know who the father is, because she could have aborted the baby or given it away, but she kept it. Unfortunately, she also said that she was an alcoholic, a drug addict, that she had stalkers, and that she gave her daughter a beeper to go to the park while her tricks showed up, and then she would beep her daughter when they left. So, you had “stalkers”, but you sent your daughter to the park, by herself? Then she says that she continued to talk to “God” and she’d say, “Where are you? Why aren’t you saving me?” Definitely the mentality of a little girl, and it pains me that her parents didn’t try to raise her, the way she didn’t try to raise her own daughter, at that point. There’s no mental balance in letting your children run wild on their own to learn from other children and predators. No inner voice handed down, a conscience to say, “No, don’t do that,” or “Don’t trust that person,” with a sound and solid explanation behind it. That is very sad.

She says, “I never met a woman in the industry who loves what they do. We’re all liars, we’re all very good actresses.” I like that she uses the editorial “we” in this statement because so much of the things she thinks she’s skewing against porn stars points to the truth about herself. “We’re all liars.” And, of course, in all of this we know she’s saying “I”. Yet again, she projects herself on every female as being her even though she does not steer her own life. In her mind, her conscience is an outside voice, but other women’s minds are her own. It’s all very mentally disturbed and cult-like. In fact, it’s a kind of mental fragmentation. A split in the personality. It’s not possible for every women in the industry to be her. Nina Hartley would absolutely disagree with this woman. I know. I talked to her on Sunday and that woman loves her job. Loves her job. There was no camera on her. She meant it. Who would know but her? Again, Shelley can’t be incapable of owning all her mental faculties and owning someone else’s. Not possible.

So, she said that she talked to God but, “there was no answer.” So, by her count we’re supposed to believe that “Jesus talked to [her] all the time” as a child, but for her darker periods as an adult, God wouldn’t “answer” her. It doesn’t seem like a very kind God to not say something when you are talking to… it. Him. Then someone suggested she do a porn movie because she knew prostitutes that were “raped and beaten”, and she “didn’t want to be raped or go to jail”, so she showed up to do a scene. She says there was a dark presence in the room and she “knew porn was worse than prostitution.” I don’t know any sex worker, personally, who would say that being a legal sex worker is worse than being an illegal sex worker. The only way this makes sense is that her political and evangelical position is to attack the legal side with all means necessary. It’s not possible for porn to be worse than being a completely unprotected sex worker. She doesn’t explain exactly how it’s worse, of course. Then she said that once the camera started rolling, all of her anger towards every man that ever hurt her, and a father that never loved her, came out and she was a wild woman. “Roxy!” And then she says, “Anointed by The Devil, himself.” What a split. She admits that she took out her man-hating frustrations in front of the camera, explains why she turned into a wild woman, and at the same time hands responsibility to yet, another man, albeit an invisible one. Very extreme. But then, she also says later that she was diagnosed as bipolar, as well as other things. All in her own words.

Then she states that, “On porn sets you can hear women crying and throwing up.” This is an absolute statement and she is addressing it to the audience to say, if you are ever on a porn set, you can hear that. But who heard that, really? And on whose sets? Could she have really been privy to every porn set? It’s not physically possible. She is, yet again, manipulating their emotions through an illogical statement. What she’s really saying is that she heard that, and it’s vague enough to imply she heard that on all porn sets. She’s saying it in the present, except that she can’t know because she’s not on porn sets anymore. Hasn’t been for over fifteen years. I never in six years of working regularly on porn sets ever heard women either crying or throwing up. Not even on the not-so-great gonzo sets I worked on in the beginning, were there ever any women crying or throwing up. If that was her experience at that time, she should specify that that was her experience at that time. Neither Jane Hamilton nor Nina Hartley ever said that making porn was anything other than fun, years before “Roxy” was making movies. Could that period of time really have been that dotted with crying, vomiting women when no other era had a constant population of crying and vomiting women?

“Enema boxes and rags in the corner, which is what we’re staring at as every man takes his turn.” She’s speaking in the present again, and “as every man takes his turn?” “Every man taking his turn” implies a gang bang, and by Mike’s post Shelley Lubben Now Whoring Jesus, I can see that she did, in fact, do gang bang scenes. At least one. Personally, I didn’t perform in gang bang scenes, so again she is including me in the editorial “we” which makes her statement a lie. And still, you have to say, “Yes, I’ll do that,” or it doesn’t happen. It doesn’t sound like “waiting for God to save you” is a very good idea at all. Why not save yourself at that point? According to her, she’s a zombie to the forces of good and evil and a mind reader. And since she knows what happens on all porn sets today and every day since she got out of the industry, even while living in Washington with no contact with people from the industry, she also has teleportation powers. A clairvoyant, teleporting zombie. Psychiatrists have names for conditions like that. And what, you never used “enemas” or “rags” as a prostitute? How did you clean your ass out and wash up after?

She did crystal meth and drank before her scenes. I never took one drop of liquor before a scene, never smoked one joint, popped pills or did anything other than eat food and drink water before a scene. There are lots of women like me. I know that because I know them. I’m not saying “all”, because I know I’m not clairvoyant and I do not teleport or claim to be all-knowing while also claiming to not own my mind entirely. To quote Bill Maher, “…anyone who tells you they know, they just know what happens when you die, I promise you, you don’t. How can I be so sure? Because I don’t know, and you do not possess mental powers that I do not.”

She talks about how sex is pain for her. The acts were painful and so she would “bite down on an invisible bullet and take the pain.” There’s already an invisible cast in this performance, might as well throw in an invisible bullet, too. Again she pleaded, “God get me out of this!” And God said, “Dummy, get yourself out of it!” and God waited, but there was no answer… I made that part up. Then she says, “In the industry we don’t use condoms.” To her audience, the way she’s speaking, she’s still in the industry because she’s speaking in the present… again… and she is implying that condoms aren’t even in the vicinity of any porn set, not when she was in, and not now, even though she’s not in the industry right now… nor has been for over fifteen years. I did condom-only scenes for years. I can show you the movies and point to the condoms! Where was she a porn star? Europe? She should be clear that she was not a porn star here in L.A. “In the industry we don’t use condoms.” Liar. Then she says, “Every single day we live in fear of catching a sexually transmitted disease or even worse, HIV.” And then she very blatantly contradicts herself. She says she got into porn, and then she says she left porn quietly and got back into prostitution because she contracted herpes. We are to assume she contracted herpes as a porn star, even though she adds that she went to “swinger parties” and “did coke” and had “whipping parties”. So in all of this, she was only in porn for a year and feared for her life every day, except that if you only did thirty movies in a one-year period, that hardly justifies being afraid of contracting a sexually transmitted disease or HIV every day, unless you’re having unprotected sex every day. And how does she know she didn’t contract herpes at one of the parties? She practiced her right to use condoms at coke parties, but not on set? But here’s where she changes it.

So… so far, chronologically, she got into porn and only returned to prostitution because she contracted herpes. She lived in fear every day of catching a sexually transmitted disease or HIV because “the industry doesn’t use condoms.” Later she says, “What we do is when we’re porn stars, we’re also prostitutes.” Okay! So she could have contracted herpes as a prostitute? Yes, because then she says, “We fly around the country and sleep with people for lots of money, ‘cuz they’re our fans. So then we have unprotected sex with them, of course.” Of course? I don’t know one high-paid escort/porn star who has unprotected sex with their clients!! This irresponsible woman did not insist on condoms, admits that she did coke and drank before scenes, contracted herpes and then says she infected a married couple with herpes, then adds, “Did that stop me?” as in, ‘No. It didn’t.’ And then horror of horrors, “I helped contribute to America’s epidemic of herpes.” … Um… Wow. She admits to unprotected sex with clients while she performed in sex movies and then immediately says, “So I believe the adult film industry is a huge contributing factor to sexually transmitted disease in America.” Right! Evidently, you are the huge contributor, in your own words! And if you’re sleeping with clients without protection, you can’t say “the adult film industry” gave you herpes, because you don’t know, the way you don’t know who the father of your firstborn daughter is. Honey, you are contributing to more epidemics than that! You gave your daughter a beeper so you could turn tricks, you had unprotected sex with people knowing you had herpes and now instead of trying to teach these young women in the industry that they should be intelligent and own their minds so they don’t end up like you, you just propose that the industry should go away? Just disappear? Like your “God” disappeared? As irresponsible as she admits to being, these women are supposed to be okay with being saved by her? A robot? Do I have that right? “We” should all relinquish our minds and our sense of repsonsibility and make porn go away. Which will only drive it underground where it won’t go away but will be seedier and less safe than it is now. I am nothing like Shelley Lubben. A woman of her advanced age should know better. My cat would make a better mother figure and he licks his butt. I’m suppose to just turn into a huband-emasculating woman-hater. No thanks!

She admits to looking towards pornographers as “daddy figures”. (Yeah, that’s mother figure material.) She says about porn stars, “Don’t ever let them tell you they aren’t prostitutes. Oh yes they are.” Of course, she’s the only one making the huge distinction between the esteemed prostitute versus the lowly porn star. Then she thinks to herself, “I’m a prostitute again, [she just said she never stopped!] and I don’t know what I’m going to do with my life and I feel like no man will ever want me.” Really? You never felt that way while you were a drug addict and your daughter was at the park with a beeper so you could have unprotected sex with strangers? Then she met a Pastor’s son who had crystal meth, they stayed up on meth and “played checkers ’til 3am.” This is where she emasculates him through demeaning details about not being attracted to him but marrying him, anyway. Classy. Oh, and great for your daughters to hear, by the way. Nice way to respect your meal ticket. The actual man who saved you. She says, “We never went to the doctors [sic] or the dentist [the editorial "we", again]. The outside appearance looks pretty good.” Insinuating that the inside is neglected while the outside is kept up… although all the porn stars I know consider their teeth to be part of the “outside appearance”. I love the constant projection of her own stupidity. She does it so much better than anyone else possibly could. “We” meaning “me and the voices or lack thereof in my mostly empty head.”

She overdosed on drugs several times – slits her wrists, took pills – and none of it ever took (because she’s too dumb to even accomplish suicide… ugh!). Garret joined the army and they moved to Washington. She ran to the army psychologist one day and poured everything out and he diagnosed her! This is rich. Her list goes, “Bipolar Disorder, Impulsive Control Disorder, Depressive Disorder, Addictive Disorder” while adding that she needed to attend Anger Managment classes. Her own words. Then she went to church and the preacher pointed at her and said, “Do you know that there’s a champion in you?” Then she says it, “hit her hard [because] no one ever saw the champion in me.” Um… your husband!? You know, the one you happily emasculate in front of the world. I guess it’s a good thing you don’t have any sons because they would really be traumatized. Still, just a little girl that can’t see the gem inside herself who needs the validation from others to see what’s already there.

So, she starts to heal and go to church and every once in awhile, while she’s doing dishes or cooking and “trying to be a Mom,” (oy vey), “Satan would come along and, [whooshing sound and weird vector hand movement] here’s a scene with you and those three guys, [next whooshing sound and weird vector hand movement] here’s a scene where you’re doing prostitution with so-and-so, [third whooshing sound and weird vector hand movement] here’s a scene where you’re doing [pause, and then because she can't think of anything properly graphic] … another movie.” Her conscience didn’t make her remember she was an überwhore for several years, “Satan” did. But then again, “Satan” is one’s conscience when you don’t want to remember what you did, and “Jesus”and “God” cheer you on to do the right thing… when they’re… ignoring you… through the worst period… of your life… because… they can… Okay…?

“I started putting scriptures all over my walls like a crazy lady.” She said it. I didn’t say it, she said it. “God’s freed me from all the trauma of the sex industry.” Oh yeah. Freed you so much you’re… submerged in it… and talking about it… and obsessed with it! “Crazy lady.” She said it. I didn’t say it. “God is the biggest promise keeper. He’s the only one who never let me down.” Except when he was ignoring you, of course. “God is everything to me. He’s the air I breath. I can’t do anything without him.” Poor Garrett. How can you compete with that? If she transferred that feeling into the relationship with her husband, and had a healthy sex life with him, and worshiped him the way she worships her “God”, he’d probably be the luckiest man on the planet! She’s got loads of charisma and energy. If she loved him like she loves “God”, he’d get the masculinity she’s stripped from him, back, and their daughters would see what an actual healthy relationship looks like, rather than watching their mother rant and demand attention from strange men she doesn’t know. “I don’t love you, I’m not attracted to you, but I’ll do it [marry Garrett].” What was the other thing? Oh, after he kicked meth she said she found him boring. “I liked you better on meth!” Nice. He probably liked you better as a whore.

And then of Tiffany, her oldest, “God totally restored our relationship. She’s on fire, she ministers to the youth. She also had a problem with pornography and masturbation so she’s out there like I am, saying, ‘You know what, let’s get free from masturbation…’” So the porn industry isn’t enough, you have to preach against masturbation? Are you crazy? Well, you already covered that. There was a half-hearted bout of clapping from the crowd after that. Free from masturbation? Does “Satan” live my middle and index fingers? Give up masturbation! You really do want everyone to be crazy!

So, God “promoted us and made us move back to California.” … And she said, “No way.” And you can guess what happened after that. God said, “Yes way.” And she said, “No way.” And so on… She really did say that she said, “No way.” Like totally? Gross me out!

“At the time, I had no idea that there was a porn addiction or a porn pandemic going on.” So, all those clients just happened to be the only people paying for sex when she was a prostitute? Larry Flint becoming a millionaire with Hustler Magazine in the ’70s was just a fluke, I guess? I suppose she made as much as she did as a performer in the adult industry because the producers wanted to pay her high sums of money out of the kindness of their hearts and not because they got a huge return on their investment? Then she says that for eight years she didn’t watch t.v., she just devoted herself to “God”. “I didn’t even like t.v., I still don’t like t.v., it’s so boring.” You don’t like t.v., but you want to be all over it? “What do I want to watch t.v. for? Those people aren’t powerful.” The 700 Club isn’t powerful? ABC News? Nightline? MTV? Why did you agree to be on t.v., then, if “those people aren’t powerful?” Right.

And then, because everything else isn’t offensive enough, she talks about ministering in prisons and how, “God was delivering demons out of people, was healing them. I mean, gays were turning straight. God was performing miracles right in front of me.” So you’re against gays, too?? This sleazy, nasty, disgusting, disease bag who, in her own words, “…helped contribute to America’s epidemic of herpes,” gave her kid the boot so she could trick, smacked her husband around and cheated on him and continues to torture him by even being against masturbation, is now a moral authority on sexual orientation, too? You gotta be fucking kidding me! And she didn’t want to create her own website, but “God” told her to? And she doesn’t like t.v. because t.v. isn’t powerful? Really? Even though every time you make an appearance you re-record it and post it on YouTube! You psychotic windbag!

She says she got out of the film industry just in time for her movies not to be smeared all over the internet? Are you kidding me? You’re ugly. I can’t imagine you got out of porn as much as you just couldn’t get any more work. You’re ugly inside and out. “I know anybody who watches my stuff’s gonna get zapped by the Holy Spirit.” Or zapped by an unholy urge to cry and vomit. Then she’s talking to wives who are jealous of porn stars and says, “You’re jealous of us? We’re plastic. Every piece of us is fake.” Speak for yourself on that one, Devil Lady, because you’re right. Every piece of YOU is fake. The current weave in your head right down to your fake soul. And then she drops the “we” just in time to say, “Those girls are slaves of Satan.” You do not have the authority to speak for other people. According to you, you don’t even have the authority to speak for yourself. You “don’t do anything without God.” You don’t even move back to California or create a website of your own volition. You don’t speak for me! I don’t know who owns your brain, but they are not handling their duties very well. Your “God’s” not very impressive. He’s a sloppy, herpes-spreading, woman-hating, child-hating, husband-emasculating “God”. He’s a loser, quite frankly. Which means (because I know you’re stupid and you won’t understand), that you’re a loser, because as much as you don’t want to admit it, you chose to be a whore because you wanted to be a whore.

Then she tells husbands that, “it’s impossible for a woman to enjoy making a porn movie, because the director’s always yelling ‘Cut!’ ‘Freeze!’ Can you imagine being in a hardcore act with several performers and having to freeze in position for five minutes while they adjust lighting and cameras?” She’s talking about her gang bang movies, again. She’s kinky. I guess one-on-one is too intimate, hence all the voices in her head and the entire male-dominated group she’s addressing.

Then she describes performers as “adult survivors of child abuse, like me.” Tell your own story, Devil Lady. You are a liar once again. I didn’t suffer from child abuse. “I’ve researched hundreds of backgrounds of porn stars for the last three years.” Well, there are thousands, and you could only be researching people who want your help, and that is not “everyone”. I know plenty of McDonalds employees that want to be saved from their life, too.

And then the really creepy part comes… She points to the crowd and says, “I need you… to be our fathers.” Ew!!! I thought she said she found her father in “God”? Soliciting daddy functions from a crowd of strange men using the all encompassing “we” for women – most of whom don’t want her representation – is pretty fucking sick. “I need you men to rise up and be the leaders of this country.” Honey, those men are the leaders of this country. If Garret wasn’t insulted before, he should be insulted now. Really? You don’t see the severely warped connection between bowing down on a set around multiple strangers and taking whatever they give you, and standing in front of multiple strangers telling them you’ll take whatever they give you. Demanding it? You need voices to tell you to move to another state and create a website, and yet you want men other than your husband to “lead you”? She pleads with these men, who are the ones “in powerful positions”? Is this another “Satan” flashback of multiple men popping jizz onto your face? And really? “Women can’t save America.” You actually propose to lead porn stars out of porn so they can what? Depend on themselves, or depend on a man? Give them to someone in your congregation? That’s exactly how you are vocalizing your thoughts about a “woman’s place” under a man. Wow. How anticlimactic. But then it makes sense. If “we” are “you” (even though you don’t know who you are, or how many you are), then that means we were all molested as children, we all have herpes and daughters we’ve traumatized through husband-emasculation and abandonment, we marry men we don’t actually like and aren’t actually attracted to just because they want to marry us, we masturbate because of “Satan”, and we need to ask men we don’t know to take care of us because our dumb boring husbands are just not good enough. The whole asking men to “be our fathers” and “lead us” thing is perverted, and extremely inappropriate. If I were a woman married to one of the men in the audience, I would be highly offended.

“I was an innocent victim. I didn’t raise my hand to do that [get into the industry].” Yes, you did. “Did you know the largest group viewing porn is ages 12 to 17?” Really? Someone like your own daughter because you weren’t around to be an actual parent? “Do you know that if we don’t help these children within the next few years we’ll have an entire generation of porn addicts who’ll become our politicians and leaders.” Ha!!! As if our politicians and leaders aren’t sex addicts and perverts due to years of sexual repressions. You are fucking kidding me! “My eighteen-year-old [Tiffany] looks at me and says, ‘Mom, there’s no one to date. They’re all looking at porn.’” Evidently, she turned them onto it because you turned her onto it. “Go tell the men what they’re viewing [porn] is hamburger meat. In the form of horse meat.” What? You may be as brain dead as a Big Mac, but I’m not hamburger meat… in the form of… horse meat? What does that even mean? Bitch be crazy! Then she explains that horse meat will poison you? She’s reaching here to make the connection between porn stars as meat and porn as poison. And it’s not true, or Jack In The Box would have gone completely under years ago. She can’t even get that detail straight.  Then she says she knows that men in the audience are struggling with porn addiction. Eva Peron played this same angle with the Argentines, having been a sleazy woman who slept her way to the top. Wanting the men to see her as a fantasy, and a saint. She proved just as corrupt a leader as any man. By projecting her sex appeal, telling that crowd of men that they need to be women’s daddies and “take back the country”, she’s playing the same game. I am disgusted that she comes from the same industry I come from. I’ll take fifty uppity Jenna Jamesons over Shelley Lubben any day, because at least Jenna told the truth about herself. She’s not a good spokesperson for the industry anymore, but she doesn’t profess to talk to invisible people, not know her mind, and she doesn’t inject false words and lies upon other performer’s lives.

She tells the men suffering from porn addiction to stand up and she’ll pray. She starts praying and then she says, “God says there’s more of you that need to stand up.” My mind drifts back to what she said in the beginning of her story, “I became a master manipulator, a practiced liar, a con artist conning men out of thousands and thousands of dollars.” She never stopped. After she prays some reverberation comes out of the speaker and she says, “I command that to stop in Jesus’ name.” And when the sound guy makes it stop and she says, “God is such a showoff.” That’s right Shelley. Thing is, “God” is the sound man, and me, and even the porn stars who like their life. You need to listen to “God” more often. Your conscience isn’t worth shit.

Shelley has flipped the coin. She was extremely one way, and now she’s extremely the other way, but her coin still has two sides, and therefore two distinct faces. She’s a frustrated woman with a new gig, but her game is still the same, and my guess people treated her badly because she treated them badly.

I have sympathy for anyone who goes through difficult things, but the voices in your head are you, and if you never stop and make sense of them, you will be a constant danger to yourself and those around you. I am nothing like you and never experienced any of the things you mentioned. You boast “ex-porn star” for attention, and then boast prostitution for street cred, but the fact is, you were a prostitute for years, with only thirty movies under your belt. That doesn’t make you a star, it makes you a more recognizable whore. We all go and back and forth on our ideas and philosophies because life is ever-changing. I hated the word whore but now I like it. It’s a powerful word and only a word that powerful can be born of extreme feeling. Women have that kind of power, like it or not. But you don’t deserve to wear that word. Any person who claims to be purely controlled by outside forces is an object. There’s no word for you because, according to you, you don’t exist. No spirit and no thought that is your own. What a sad waste of life. But it’s not to late. Go worship your husband, for a change. Go give him a blow job and sit on his face and stop hitting on strangers. When you’re truly happy, you’ll find out what “God” is.

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"The Devil And Shelley Lubben" — Reloaded (Now With 50% More Punch!!! And….Censor Proof!!!)

Seems like Michael Whiteacre and Lydia Lee have created a Frankenstein.

Their video project “The Devil And Shelley Lubben” has become so popular and have gotten such rave reviews (and such ire from Lubben’s peeps that the second chapter got pulled from YouTube) that they’ve decided to add just a little more to the punch.

Today, Lydia (aka Julie Meadows) announced at her blog that she and Michael have released an extended version of Episode 2, which tacks on in addition to the fine testimonies of people like Kayden Kross, Melissa Monet, and Nina Hartley, some perspective from Raven Touchstone, who was an industry scriptwriter during the time Lubben did porn.

Also….Julie has announced that all of the episodes are now embedded over at their main site, TheDevilAndShelleyLubben.com, with the embed codes available there to all to mirror over to their own blogs or sites.

Which, of course, I will do right now in solidarity with them.

 

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This Is How It's Done, Cameron: "The Devil And Shelley Lubben" (A Whiteacre/Lee Production) — Updated

I still need to close the books on my fisking of Cameron Rowe…but first I’m going to do my own debut of what I consider to be a must see documentary that cuts through all the bullshit of Shelley Lubben’s antiporn crusades and gets down to the nitty gritty of what her lunacy is really all about.

As you well know by now, Michael Whiteacre and Lydia Lee (aka Julie Meadows) has been promising a joint collaboration on a documentary expose of Ministress Lubben and her mostly rogue campaign to rid California and the world of the adult sexual media industry.

Well…the first two episodes of that documentary — titled “The Devil and Shelley Lubben” — is now available for viewing, both at Whiteacre’s YouTube channel and at Lydia’s/Julie’s blog. And, below the jump, it will be posted here as well.

This documentary is chock full of some very interesting information never before revealed about Ministeress Shelley’s history and motivations from childhood to her first life as an active sex worker/prostitute, to her brief career as extreme porn starlet “Roxy”, to her conversion to fundamentalist Christianity and antiporn activism; all the way to her latest collusion with folk like the AIDS Healthcare Foundation to force condoms down the throats (and up other orfices) of performers, or simply run the industry out of California altogether.

It also features some fascinating and sorely needed counter testimony by people like Nina Hartley, Kayden Kross, Lydia Lee, Monica Foster, and other active and former sex performers in response to the many Lubben memes about “abused” and “diseased” porn performers who simply exist to be “raped” and drugged for the benefit of evil men. Plus, Episode 2 also includes a rebuttal by one of the co-stars of one of Lubben’s videos, in direct repudiation to her claim that she was raped in the making of that video.

This is what actual journalism looks like. Take heed, Cameron Rowe.

Here’s the first two segments:




Well done and done well, Lydia and Michael….so far.

When the rest of the doc is released, it will be posted here.  Watch this blog space for details.

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Update (2-20-11):

Well…it seems that some of Shelley’s peeps weren’t too happy with the exposure, because they screamed at YouTube loud enough that the latter caved in and pulled Episode #2 from public view.

I find it kinda funny that they decided to go after the episode which was the less personal of the two…was it because they were actually scared of real live porn stars refuting Lubben’s testimony about their innate “diseased” selves??

But…never fear, Clones….Michael and Lydia weren’t born yesterday, and they had a back up plan. Screw you, YouTube….hello, Blip.tv.


The Devil And Shelley Lubben: Episodes #1 & #2 (Blip.tv): Originals here and here (and, of course, here).

Up your bunnnnnzzzz, Ministeress. And may God and the Goddess bless you always.

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